Super 7 Ultimates Thread

I managed to snag the Thunder kittens during one of the BBTS S7 sales, and grabbed the deluxe Cheetara and Tigra, so I have the main Cats, and I have all of the main 'Hawks, so I'd like to round out the "universe" so to speak with the Tigersharks crew. That said, I am NOT paying full price for them.
That said, I wouldn't mind the leader, Mako, I think it was.
Orca and Dolphin dudes, old Walrus man, fish girl and fish boy, and Octopus woman aren't required at those prices.
 
SalemCrow said:
I managed to snag the Thunder kittens during one of the BBTS S7 sales, and grabbed the deluxe Cheetara and Tigra, so I have the main Cats, and I have all of the main 'Hawks, so I'd like to round out the "universe" so to speak with the Tigersharks crew. That said, I am NOT paying full price for them.
That said, I wouldn't mind the leader, Mako, I think it was.
Orca and Dolphin dudes, old Walrus man, fish girl and fish boy, and Octopus woman aren't required at those prices.
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I'm hoping the Thunder kids go on discount. I was able to get the core four at like 45% off during a big sale, and all I really want are the two kittens and a cheap Snarf. Probably should get a Mum-Ra too just because.

Oh, I did get Bengali in the same super deep discount sale but I always loved his character design as a kid.

It's rough that the MOTU / TCats mashup have better ROM though.
 
Fletch and I are on the same page.

I fully understand the complaints and criticisms being made and it doesn't matter to me at all. I absolutely love MOTUC and so I love Ultimates sticking to that style whether or not its archaic.

I will continue to buy Ultimates as long as they continue to make characters I want... I have long said the Tiger Sharks top that list. If they can then offer Blackstar, Thundarr, Herculoids, etc I would continue to buy as long as they made them.
 
PantherCult said:
Fletch and I are on the same page.

I fully understand the complaints and criticisms being made and it doesn't matter to me at all. I absolutely love MOTUC and so I love Ultimates sticking to that style whether or not its archaic.

I will continue to buy Ultimates as long as they continue to make characters I want... I have long said the Tiger Sharks top that list. If they can then offer Blackstar, Thundarr, Herculoids, etc I would continue to buy as long as they made them.
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I was thinking about this and I wonder how much of it has to do with Super7 themselves?

I mean as a Joe collector myself I see lots of collectors chomping at the bit for O-ring figures, or SW fans seemingly loving the new "Retro" figures. Both are old, outdated figure forms, and overpriced for what they are in today's market. However they still get lots of love so why does the Ultimates design (as you mentioned based off the MOTUC design) garner so much more vitriol?

Again it is more of a rhetorical question because I have read the post/comments, and I mostly understand the sentiments.
 
I know it's rhetorical but for me it's been (aside from Thundercats and Silverhawks, so maybe that bodes well for Tigersharks) their inability to seal the deal on teams of characters, and the price point. I don't want to spent $65 a figure and be left with an incomplete roster. A lot of my beef would go away if they were priced closer to NECA and hadn't left us hanging on teams. Their animated D&D figures are actually better than what Hasbro itself put out, but it's a bummer to get two of a very small crew of characters and not have the full cast. And who knows, I've wanted Tigersharks since I was like, nine years old, they may very well get me with these anyway.

And to be fair, I'm just as annoyed at McFarlane for abandoning casts of characters (Witcher! Vox Machina!) but those figures were half the price and at least in the Witcher stuff, twice as articulated. (I won't get myself started on the Jake Skelington arms and legs on the VM stuff.)

I actually do like the lil 5POA ReAction figures but I don't know that they were ever worth $20 a pop. I went NUTS and bought a ton of them like 75% off last year when Target and BBTS had fire sales though.
 
It's that O-ring and reAction stle is a throwback to 40 year old technology that people justify as bringing them back to childhood simplicity, whereas Ultimates are a style that has been consistently released for the last 17 years without innovation or change, so it doesn't qualify for a nostalgia pass.
 
docsilence said:
Their animated D&D figures are actually better than what Hasbro itself put out, but it's a bummer to get two of a very small crew of characters and not have the full cast.
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I'm STILL mad about that. I swear to God they would've sold more Hanks and Sheilas is they'd shown renders of Presto and Diana.
 
Fletch said:
I'm STILL mad about that. I swear to God they would've sold more Hanks and Sheilas is they'd shown renders of Presto and Diana.
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Man, that was a bad couple of years for fans of that cartoon.

Hasbro: Here's the whole team!
Wow, these are... objectively terrible, like these are barely action figures
Super7: Here's our version!
These are pretty good! You're going to do the rest, right? Right? ...Right...?
 
canprime said:
I mean as a Joe collector myself I see lots of collectors chomping at the bit for O-ring figures, or SW fans seemingly loving the new "Retro" figures. Both are old, outdated figure forms, and overpriced for what they are in today's market. However they still get lots of love so why does the Ultimates design (as you mentioned based off the MOTUC design) garner so much more vitriol?
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PantherCult said:
It's that O-ring and reAction stle is a throwback to 40 year old technology that people justify as bringing them back to childhood simplicity, whereas Ultimates are a style that has been consistently released for the last 17 years without innovation or change, so it doesn't qualify for a nostalgia pass.
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That's exactly it.

You can get away with a lot if you're tugging at someone's nostalgia. There can't be more than a handful of people that could even be of an age to qualify for feeling nostalgia for MOTUC that were also actually buying them when they were new. Like.. lots of 9-10 year olds sitting on the White Screen of Death trying to get in an order for a 25 dollar + shipping action figure from a property that hit its max popularity before they were born?

The MOTUC body, on the other hand, is just outdated. It's not so old that it's charming and it doesn't bring back fond memories of Christmas morning when you were a pre-teen. It's just 'this was the next step in articulated MOTU figures.' It's a neat little moment in time and I don't think I'll ever get rid of my MOTU He-Man just for that. But I don't want companies to sit on the same body style for 50 years just because it was cool -at one time-.
 
There are plenty of people who prefer the overall aesthetic of the MotU Classics body. It's more appealing to many, than the modern equivalent that is Masterverse. I think Super7's aim was to just continue that Classics aesthetic, even if it doesn't update articulation. I personally appreciate the consistency. The differing licenses all look really great and cohesive together.

I think the problem is that Super7 winds up moving backwards with some of that articulation having less range than the Classics body, or being more fragile at the joints. I don't think there's anything wrong with Super7's Ultimates stylistically or aesthetically. But they feel fragile, and I have to take a lot more care to move joints on them than I ever did with Mattel's Classics. And for double the price, that really shouldn't be happening.
 
NORM said:
There are plenty of people who prefer the overall aesthetic of the MotU Classics body. It's more appealing to many, than the modern equivalent that is Masterverse. I think Super7's aim was to just continue that Classics aesthetic, even if it doesn't update articulation. I personally appreciate the consistency. The differing licenses all look really great and cohesive together.

I think the problem is that Super7 winds up moving backwards with some of that articulation having less range than the Classics body, or being more fragile at the joints. I don't think there's anything wrong with Super7's Ultimates stylistically or aesthetically. But they feel fragile, and I have to take a lot more care to move joints on them than I ever did with Mattel's Classics. And for double the price, that really shouldn't be happening.
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I think you could make an argument for maintaining stylistic consistency if they found ways to make the figures better. But, as you said, they didn't do that. If anything, they constantly regress. Worse ROM, worse paint, worse stability, worse quality control. So you're looking at base body that's over a decade old, and instead of being tweaked over the years to make it a little better, a little more functional, while still maintaining the overall look... they've just made it worse in literally every way. And they want 65 dollars for it instead of the 25 it was going for when they inherited it.
 
Damien said:
I think you could make an argument for maintaining stylistic consistency if they found ways to make the figures better. But, as you said, they didn't do that. If anything, they constantly regress. Worse ROM, worse paint, worse stability, worse quality control. So you're looking at base body that's over a decade old, and instead of being tweaked over the years to make it a little better, a little more functional, while still maintaining the overall look... they've just made it worse in literally every way. And they want 65 dollars for it instead of the 25 it was going for when they inherited it.
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I don't think it's worse in EVERY release. There have certainly been some releases that have had improvements, fluid articulation, etc. The deluxe/LED Lion-O mold can do a double hand sword grasp. That's certainly not something that Mattel was able to do with a single Classics character. There have been some figures in the TMNT line that feel really good in hand when you're moving the joints. I think Slash and Leatherhead were among them, though I can't recall definitely off the top of my head. It's certainly inconsistent, but not all completely downhill.
 
NORM said:
I don't think it's worse in EVERY release. There have certainly been some releases that have had improvements, fluid articulation, etc. The deluxe/LED Lion-O mold can do a double hand sword grasp. That's certainly not something that Mattel was able to do with a single Classics character. There have been some figures in the TMNT line that feel really good in hand when you're moving the joints. I think Slash and Leatherhead were among them, though I can't recall definitely off the top of my head. It's certainly inconsistent, but not all completely downhill.
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To be fair, I don't include stuff like TMNT in that criticism because those are entirely new and unique. They might be trying to live somewhere in the same zip code as the MOTUC STYLE, but they're very much their own thing and 100% Super7 rather than an inherited style/body.

Even the deluxe Lion-O has the same issue, where it's being designed to mirror a lot of the elements of that style, but it's its own thing. They even slimmed it down so it really only shares the scale with MOTUC, not really the body type and style. Compare that with the original Lion-O that's literally just on the He-Man body, but looks and feels just a little bit jankier than the actual original He-Man figure.
 
Damien said:
To be fair, I don't include stuff like TMNT in that criticism because those are entirely new and unique. They might be trying to live somewhere in the same zip code as the MOTUC STYLE, but they're very much their own thing and 100% Super7 rather than an inherited style/body.

Even the deluxe Lion-O has the same issue, where it's being designed to mirror a lot of the elements of that style, but it's its own thing. They even slimmed it down so it really only shares the scale with MOTUC, not really the body type and style. Compare that with the original Lion-O that's literally just on the He-Man body, but looks and feels just a little bit jankier than the actual original He-Man figure.
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There isn’t really much left from Super7 that reuses those old Mattel sculpts, if any at all. Remember, the original Super7 Lion-O just reuses the Mattel sculpt. Some of the Thundercats use the articulation scheme, but many have moved on to different style joints like ball hinges instead of standard hinges. Most of what S7 is doing is all new sculpts, but still have limited range. That’s the area they don’t seem to care about improving.
 
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