Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies and Streaming Series Discussion

fac said:
All I am saying is, was Thanos thinking this would be the best gift ever, and to Death it was more like getting a new vacuum cleaner when she really wanted a vacation?
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I mean, yeah.
Because Thanos is supposed to be completely *insane*. Like the whole point is it’s a crazy idea and Death will never really want him. That’s the point, it’s pointless. I’m tired of “noble but misguided” villains. He’s the Mad Titan, not the Misguided Eco-Terrorist Titan.
Meh.
 
He murdered half of existence and smiled. Aside from the "Thanos is right" bit (which makes in-universe sense), Thanos was absolutely presented as nuts and when Endgame ripped off his noble pre-tense and gave him a shortcut to power, he showed his true self as ruthless and irredeemable. Thanos was totally presented as a madman.

Not as mad a man as I made SD, but y'know... ;)
 
Fletch said:
Meh. It was a cute node for the readers who knew, but it doesn't have to be taken so literally to think that was their original plan.
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Yeah. They knew what they were doing with the line, but it doesn't mean they were going to do it.

Weren't the Infinity Stones themselves an in process retcon at some point?
 
Did we ever learn how he even got the gauntlet?

It's been years and I don't really rewatch these, but the gauntlet was in Thor. And then that was a fake. And then he just pulled it out of the safe during the end credits in Ultron right?
 
altcunningham said:
Did we ever learn how he even got the gauntlet?

It's been years and I don't really rewatch these, but the gauntlet was in Thor. And then that was a fake. And then he just pulled it out of the safe during the end credits in Ultron right?
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All correct, but he also had Peter Dinklage make him one... so maybe the AOU scene is supposed to be at Nidavellir? I dunno, a lot of the credit scenes work better if you ignore them during rewatches, heh.
 
altcunningham said:
Did we ever learn how he even got the gauntlet?

It's been years and I don't really rewatch these, but the gauntlet was in Thor. And then that was a fake. And then he just pulled it out of the safe during the end credits in Ultron right?
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That seemed like it was his time on Nidavellir, where he made the dwarves there make it for him, then he....

Nevermind.

What Ru said.
 
The Aether wasn't orignally a stone, either, because Gunn was already in production on Vol. 1 when they asked him to do the Dark World stinger & add in the Collector's exposition dump about them all, and he actually had to change the color of the Power Stone from red to purple.
 
Right, and does all this just break the world building and such? No, but we've known all along there was a lot of coming up with it as they went, which is why it makes me shake my head when fans criticize them for not having as clear-cut a plan for the recent phases like, apparently, they believe Feige did in the early days. Clearly not, but they were better at making it work I guess.
 
I'd heard about the aether and power stone changes, but I wonder what they thought the tesseract was. It wasn't very space stone-y until suddenly it opened up a portal and sucked up Red Skull.

I don't think the Multiverse Saga is poorly planned, I just don't think dropping it for a new plan was for the better. I would much rather have seen them recast Kang and keep their forward momentum than suddenly shift to Doom at the 5 yard line.

Unless you believe them that they'd been planning to switch to Doom even before Major's arrest. Then it's an even worse idea.
 
Fletch said:
I wonder what they thought the tesseract was
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I know, I know, comic accuracy was not the priority here, but hoo boy dilly was I bummed that the Cosmic Cube was basically reduced to an extant mcguffin. So many great stories revolve around the creation of and (mis)use of and evolution of the Cosmic Cube. Also giving it a less comic book-y name was one of my first red flags that the MCU was embarrassed by a lot of its source material.

That said: the first Cap movie still absolutely slaps.
 
The only real retcon was having the Gauntlet in Thor. I felt hiding the nature of the first two stones in plain sight was fine given they hadn't introduced Thanos yet.
 
If I’d been plotting it, and the Majors controversy were not a factor, I’d have pushed Kang HARD and kept Doom under wraps, then have Doom’s arrival be abrupt and unexpected, maybe even to the extent of just blasting Kang out of his time chair totally unannounced as a cliffhanger. If they used a recognizable costume for Doom, as they have actually done, I think most folks would know who he was with no “introduction” beforehand.
 
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