Harvinger Studios, Savage Crucible

So people already have Nashorn? I ordered him in the Kickstarter, but I don’t have him yet. What gives?


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Akatsuki said:
So people already have Nashorn? I ordered him in the Kickstarter, but I don’t have him yet. What gives?


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Yeah, I don't know. I haven't kept up with the actual Kickstarter updates since I got the only figures I got directly from it (lizard dudes). It's possible the humans are shipping with the fish people for some KS backers? I'm not sure. Might be worth sending them a message, though.

Nashorn is awesome, so you should definitely want to get him in hand as quickly as possible.
 
altcunningham said:
Are they going to go back to press on the slate lizards or was that the boat?
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This may have changed (as I said, I don't watch their multi-hour streams) but I believe the idea was to keep moving forward and not spend a lot of time/resources at the factory going back to re-issue figures that sold out. So maybe you'll see NEW slate colors, but probably not a straight re-issue of an existing one.
Again... could have changed based on fan comments or sales numbers, but that's my recollection when they were asked.

To be fair, that's also how Boss Fight mostly operated for the entire time I followed the company and spoke often with them. And for the same reason Harvinger mentioned: It's just not economical to reproduce an item that sold out because you're automatically narrowing your customer base to the people that want more or didn't get the first batch. Better to make something new and have the potential to engage your entire customer base.
 
I believe you're correct, Damien. Instead of reoffering figures, they want to just make new ones. I'm sure they'll eventually get back to lizardmen. With them making smaller waves and sporadic releases between, I think we'll end up getting some mixed "waves" with a spread of different types of characters.

I took some pics of Savage Crucible figures. First up are the lizardmen. With a few guests.

 
Last update by William was August 1st:

"Wave 3 is currently in different phases of production. Some parts are already produced and painted. We currently expect Wave 3 to ship from the factory in late Q4 of 2025."

I backed Harbinger of the Abyss, so I'm definitely eager to get my purple Cthulhu, lol.


Ashtalon said:
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Um, excuse me, who is that!? 😳
 
Makes sense about their process. I just really love the Slate head sculpts over most of the others. I'd take other colours later.

Like the above.
 
Damien said:
I believe the idea was to keep moving forward and not spend a lot of time/resources at the factory going back to re-issue figures that sold out. So maybe you'll see NEW slate colors, but probably not a straight re-issue of an existing one.
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I can see that reasoning but I also think if I was essentially a startup toy company and my first run of figures have sold out - and the line is becoming more popular as more people know about it and secondary prices were rising - that I would want to go back and get some of the basics back out there given I didn't have any new development costs. You want to build a customer base to include those who may not have been in on the ground floor as well, so back to production for the most popular figures seems like it would support that.
 
fac said:
I can see that reasoning but I also think if I was essentially a startup toy company and my first run of figures have sold out - and the line is becoming more popular as more people know about it and secondary prices were rising - that I would want to go back and get some of the basics back out there given I didn't have any new development costs. You want to build a customer base to include those who may not have been in on the ground floor as well, so back to production for the most popular figures seems like it would support that.
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I totally get where you're coming from and while I would normally be inclined to agree; that really just doesn't seem to be an accurate picture based on the people I've spoken to. The reality for a lot of these companies is that quick sell-outs are great, but not indicative that the product can support the minimum order quantity of that same item all over again. Your MOQ may be 20,000 units, so you make 20,000 units and they sell out immediately because you have 30,000 fans. But if you go into production on that same item again, you're basically going to end up sitting on 10,000 units in unsold stock.

Obviously, that's a very simplistic picture of the situation, but you get it.

And these smaller start-ups aren't grabbing big licenses, generally. They're not refusing to re-issue Darth Vader. They're refusing to reissue 'this specific version of this specific goblin figure with this specific color scheme, with this specific gear.' And realistically, almost no one jumping on board later is going to be wildly angry that they can't get THAT figure, as long as the company keeps producing similar stuff they can get.

That's why you'll see companies like this (and Boss Fight, and others) make new figures that are -quite similar- to older ones, but not the same. You satisfy the demand for the old one, mostly, but also entice people that already have it to grab this new one as well. So they're still getting use out of the tooling, without over-extending themselves by producing too much of one thing.

I mean, we've already seen several lizard guy variants that were not part of the original KS. I have to imagine that more army-builder friendly ones are also on the radar.
 
I almost made the same counter argument that missing out on random Lizard Guy #2 isn't the same as missing out on Vader - but I think there may be more completists out there who feel if they can't have it all they don't want to bother with any of it.

I get the logic and maybe the numbers don't work - but I think for a new line that is trying to find and expand its customer base, you maybe take a bit more of a risk to see if you can sell 20,000 more? That's where you get retail partners involved to share the risk, and you go back into a limited production with the same factory when they have time, and you don't have any major development costs to add - although I suppose that holds true with basic repaints as well.
 
fac said:
but I think there may be more completists out there who feel if they can't have it all they don't want to bother with any of it.
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I don't know -- Mythic Legions seems to do just fine despite many of the figures being immediately hard to get and never getting a direct re-issue. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 4H have followed the above pattern of just making a new figure that's almost the same. And in the case of the ones they directly re-made, it was -years- later.


fac said:
but I think for a new line that is trying to find and expand its customer base, you maybe take a bit more of a risk to see if you can sell 20,000 more?
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My understanding is that people like 4H, Harvinger, Boss Fight, etc, can sometimes be even more risk averse than Hasbro and Mattel. They have a lot more to lose and a lot less operating capital.

fac said:
That's where you get retail partners involved to share the risk, and you go back into a limited production with the same factory when they have time, and you don't have any major development costs to add
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That could certainly happen. The line is still technically new enough (remember, they haven't even finished delivering off their first Kickstarter yet) that this exact thing could be happening behind the scenes right now and we wouldn't know yet. Or retailers are remaining gun-shy to see how things shake out. It wasn't that long ago that Harvinger had to go to the factory and produce tens of thousands of feet as replacement parts for customers. While a total boss move to do it, just the problem existing in the first place could have made someone like BBTS back off from wanting any exclusives until they see how the following wave does in sales and reception - and that wave is only really coming out fully right now.
 
It's me, I'm the collector that won't bother if a line is too deep and the aftermarket is too deep. That is Mythic to a tee.

On the flip side, they start innovating new bodies, methods, updating face paint quality... That tends to make me feel like a hop on point.
 
TheCaptain said:
I remember seeing somewhere that Krieger's belt buckle is supposed to double as a small buckler shield, and that he came with an extra shield handle to accommodate that? Can anyone who has him confirm?
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Can confirm now that I have Krieger.
He comes with a little silver handle that plugs into the back of the belt adornment.


Been messing around with Krieger and Who-Man for the last hour or so since they arrived and I like them way more than I expected to. But, frustratingly, there's still so many options I want to display and mess with.
Despite the obvious intention, I actually think the Who-Man head on the Krieger body is a better fantasy-fied He-Man stand-in. Also, the raider set mustached head with the pointy helmet on the Who-Man body is a really cool Man-at-Arms. Then you've got Nashorn with the other accessory set skeleton-helmet for a good Skeletor, and we're off to the races.

I originally planned for Krieger to get the raider pack armor that I currently have on Nashorn - but I find I really like him as-is once I took the giant left pauldron off, which leaves the furry detail. Combine that look with the 'viking helmet' head and hot damn he does look pretty good.

Yeah, I can't decide how to display this stuff. And I'm too busy with work right now to mess with them as long as I'd like to. Another day.
 
I received my wave 2 figures today and I can't believe how far Harvinger Studios has fallen in such a short time.

A plain white shipping box? I still have my ornate wave 1 shipping box with the graphics because it's just too cool to trash. I guess that was a one-off, which is probably a good thing.

Krieger and the Warrior look really good in the package. Gonna pop open Krieger in a little bit. Can't wait to see the bonus weapons ...
 
From fake disappointment to real disappointment. Maybe I jinxed myself. Had Krieger out of the package for maybe 5 minutes and the peg at his left knee snapped. I had just given him a hot water bath, too ... I feel like it had to be defective somehow, the right knee moves beautifully and I can't remember the last time I had a figure break on me.

I just reached out to Savage Crucible, hopefully they can at least ship out a new left leg.

He's a great figure otherwise. Can't stop messing with him, even if I can't stand him up.
 
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