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Irish guy - Seamus Finnegan

Lets not forget what his first lines were in the movies. "My mums a Witch, me da's a Muggle. Came as a nasty shock to him when he found out." If that isn't a an allegory for the Catholic/Protestant thing...

I'd never considered it until a friend of mine mentioned it a couple years back while ordering a certain poorly named Irish cocktail, but also having the one Irish kid be the one to constantly blow things up seems a bit on the nose too....
 
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Heh. As someone who works in YA, I wouldn't have a career if Harry Potter hadn't hit when it did and I won't deny that, but also as someone who works in YA, fuck that transphobic billionaire piece of shit. She could've taken her wealth, hated trans folks quietly, donated anonymously, ruined lives, and NEVER TOLD ANYONE. She chose to go loud and hard. While writing under a man's name for her other series, for irony's sake.

As someone who works in YA? There's about seven million better writers, with more talent, who would take WB development deal money and like, start a charity for the homeless, or start a shelter for elderly abandoned dogs, start a scholarship fund, or just sit on their money and disappear. The new series only exists because Hollywood likes an easy bet, the general public hates confronting a problematic favorite, and there's a desperate lack of imagination among the suits who decide what goes on screen. I do feel bad for the kid playing Hermione though, her folks just threw her into a racist lion's den covered in barbecue sauce because she's a shade darker than the last actress.

Also, my Irish almost-in-laws thought it was hilariously stupid that the only Irish kid in her books was constantly blowing things up. "Of course an Englishwoman would say that! Anyway, feck her"

ANYWAY! Sinners is going to come to streaming on Tuesday (6/3) for those of us who were too absurdly busy to get to the theater to see it, and I can't wait. I'm so mad I didn't get to a theater screening when it first came out, because smart vampire movies are one of my favorite things.
 
ANYWAY! Sinners is going to come to streaming on Tuesday (6/3) for those of us who were too absurdly busy to get to the theater to see it, and I can't wait. I'm so mad I didn't get to a theater screening when it first came out, because smart vampire movies are one of my favorite things.
Sinners was fantastic; I put my A-List to use and saw it a couple times in theaters. You'll have to share your thoughts when you watch it. I really hope it's this year's Everything Everywhere All At Once and is an early release that's able to ride the hype all the way to the Oscars next year. I don't know everything else coming out this year, but I do know that I'd love to see Sinners take as many awards home as possible.
 
I haven't read the Potter books since I was a preteen. I maintain that they're actually pretty good despite some obvious flaws. We can admit that Rowling is a heinous person without denigrating her work.

Well-meaning people can disagree and that's fine. But let me be clear on my personal position: Harry Potter, as a series, sucks. It's bad. It's just bad, completely independent of who wrote it. I've hated Harry Potter for as long as the series has existed and it's only been the last 5-8 years or whatever that Rowling's disgusting beliefs have been of public note.

If people don't agree with me that's okay. I just don't want it thought or said that I think her writing is bad because I think she is bad. But I also don't think they're totally mutually exclusive, because I think her being a shit-garbage person informs certain aspects of why she writes the way she does (in a shit-garbage way).


So while I think Rowling is an awful person who has shit opinions and isn't worth listening to at all - I tend not to think she's being racist as much as she's lazy and unimaginative in generating character names

Like Josh said - it can be both. More specifically, it can be that her total lack of creativity and just lack of talent as a writer put her in a position to write to her racism, possibly without choosing to do it maliciously. It's black characters in early Disney films with giant lips. Was every artist and animator deeply -hateful-, or just stupidly bigoted in ways they didn't even fully grasp or care to grasp?


I'm happy to separate art from artist for the most part, so I personally have no issue watching the new show. I really don't think they're rebooting because of J.K. though. Zaslav and WB (and studios in general) have shown that they'll continue to draw as much blood from their existing IP stones as possible. The morality of the original author only factors in so far as "would bringing up that marketing angle get us more eyeballs?"
I'm not committed to this enough to do the research, but I'm fairly sure it was mentioned way back when this was being talked about that a reboot was only being considered specifically because the original cast refused to have anything to do with more HP as long as Rowling was involved and benefiting from it. And Rowling herself refuses to work with anyone that correctly identified her as a transphobic piece of shit. So the only option was to reboot - which was NOT what WB actually wanted to do, originally.


To, I suppose, bolster my opinion here, I do want to clarify: I have argued against the worth of Harry Potter a lot in my years of talking about fiction and writing. I actually used to talk about books and media as often as I talk about toys and politics. Probably much more, in fact. In pursuit of fair and honest debate, I read almost all of the HP series (I noped out after Phoenix and stopped caring because none of my criticisms really changed over five books, so there was no reason to continue, in my estimation).

I will defend until my death the position that Harry Potter is poorly written (even just within the scope of how YA is usually written, so we're not holding HP to the same level as something far more complex intended for a higher reading level), poorly paced, poorly plotted, and its characters are poorly realized, often one-dimensional, and in fact, quite boring. Moreover, I will posit that either Rowling is a raging racist/bigot against basically everyone that isn't a skinny cis white woman/man, or racism is so deeply ingrained in her being that she pulls from it without intent (which makes her an incredibly stupid, unserious, lazy writer - at best).

Goblins are so Jewish-coded that you can decode it with a ring from a cereal box. Big-nosed, short, greedy bankers. With special fun hats!
House Elves are literal, I'd argue intentional, Colonial slavery apologia; "no ma'am, we love being your HOUSE N....I mean.. elves. House Elves, yes. Thankful enslaved persons working around your house. Sure. Totally normal. She also named a black guy 'SHACKLEBOLT.' Shackle. Bolt. You fucking guys READ this book, right?
Werewolves have expressly been explained by Rowling as being about HIV. Like... period. End of story. She said it's a metaphor for AIDS. And one of the most prominent werewolves is obsessed with spreading it to and specifically attacking... children. In other words; It's the '80s/'90s gay panic "they've all got AIDS and they are coming for the children."
Seamus exists. The only prominent Irish character is basically written the exact way you'd write an Irish 'terrorist' from the IRA.
Cho Chang isn't just a mash-up Asian name so obviously just a thrown together 'good enough - you get it, she's from 'the East' - but also conforms to Asian stereotypes of being small and bookish.
Even JK's olive branch to the gay community (you know, the part that also hates trans people, I guess) of Dumbledore being gay only came non-canonically after the character was dead. She wouldn't even actually commit to anything that actually affected the character. That trope is called 'the zombie gay' - I believe.

Rowling is a trash person, with trash beliefs, and her writing not only sucks, but is absolutely full of her trash beliefs. But to be clear, even without all this stuff, the books still actually suck.
 
I haven’t revisited the Kevin Smith classics in a while: they were absolutely formative in my college years, and I wonder how I’d feel about them now. Dogma’s the one I suspect will hold up the best for me; it was always my favorite after Chasing Amy (and ohhhh I know I’d have a different perspective on Chasing Amy now; my complicated feelings about Holden would prob skew much more negative in the present). I’ve never been Catholic but I was raised around a lot of Catholic culture and I went to Catholic high school (it was considered the top school around my area, and my family cared WAY more about achievement than religion) and I’m chronically fascinated by world religions, so Dogma really did it for me when it came out. I tend to think Smith is a smart and sensitive guy whose classic films were both elevated and hampered by 90s male geek culture attitudes. Dogma was maybe hampered the least? And maybe had the most to say? And the cast was great and given lots of freedom to do fun stuff.

I will always, ALWAYS give Smith props for making the Golgothan Shit Demon look like Clayface from Batman and even speak the first line of Grant Morrison’s ‘biography’ for Clayface from Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth:
“NOT BORN, SHIT INTO EXISTENCE.”
Groovy, man. Groovy.
 
I watched Clerks and Dogma when I was ~10 years old, far too young to understand or appreciate them. Like @AceofKnaves, I feared none of his movies would hold up. A few years ago, I went back and rewatched Clerks, and I watched nerd classics Mallrats and Chasing Amy for the first time. There are a few unfortunate "of the era" issues with all of them, but the heart of what Smith was saying still rang true.

He's become a bit of a meme of a filmmaker, but the guy put out some solid work. I'd call him underrated now.

I'm excited to revisit Dogma next.

Oh, and Joey Lauren Adams should've had a bigger career.
 
I've always had an appreciation for Kevin Smith. Are his movies good? Arguable, especially as they've gone on. They're the movies he wants to make and nothing less, but they're undeniably made with passion. The definition of "guilty pleasures".

I'll never forget- around the time Red State came out, there was a sold-out screening of it in KC that he was at. Being in KC, of course, the Westboro Baptist Church came to spew their hatred. A couple of my friends and I didn't have tickets, but we joined a counterprotest across the street (basically a right of passage growing up in the area), and a few minutes after the screening started, Kevin poked his head out the door and said "Ya'll are some cool fuckers, wanna come see a movie I made about these shitbags?" My friends and I weren't 18 yet, but he still let us in. There were probably 15-20 of us altogether, so they set up folding chairs for us all in the back of the theater, it was super cool of him to do. Ever since then, I've tried to at least support his movies however I can, and I listen to his podcast. I love how emotional he gets over nerdy things- you can really tell he just loves what he does.
 
I haven’t revisited the Kevin Smith classics in a while:
Yeah, when we started having kids they weren't as heavily in rotation, but his early movies will always be among my favorites. Even if they don't age we'll, they were massively important to me. I think what Slacker was for Kevin, Clerks was for me as far as inspiring me to tell my stories my way etc. And Randall's work ethic was something I sympathized with hard in my early retail jobs. I know it's from the cartoon, but I still use his line "I've got news for you and the headline is shove it".

I was lucky enough to be at the comic con screening for Mallrats and the crowd reaction to it had me convinced it was gonna be a mega hit. And obviously I still quote daily. I think I've used a few gifs here already.

Amy I liked okay. I appreciated what he was doing and saying and that he wanted to do something a little more grown up. Dogma though, I felt like it was made JUST for me. I was raised Catholic but neither of my parents really cared what I believed. Like you, they really wanted me at the good school. When I lost my faith, neither even seemed to notice heh. But I still have a serious reverence for the church and the rituals. The dogma. The lore even, heh.

I liked Jersey Girl! And Clerks 2 is my favorite of all his movies, another that felt just for me when it came out. Not least of which that I got with a coworker and fell in love with her despite ... Not being single. (I married the coworker, 18 years ago, and Clerks 2 was our movie heh).
my complicated feelings about Holden would prob skew much more negative in the present)
I actually had issues with him even then, but I feel like that's the point. He is ultimately wrong.
. I tend to think Smith is a smart and sensitive guy whose classic films were both elevated and hampered by 90s male geek culture attitudes.
Yeah, I can see that. He loves those dick and fart jokes but actually has heart in his stories as well. Even Mallrats heh.
Dogma was maybe hampered the least?
Probably. Part of that may have been the cast elevating it. Though he messed up not having Garofalo as the lead.

But Smith also has... I don't know the word. Hokiness? There's a way that he does sentimentality that can feel fabricated. I get a taste of it when Bethany says bye to everyone at the end of Dogma, and I'll just blame Fiorentino for it. But there's a little more during the party scene in Zack & Miri. Which is a completely stupid movie that I still enjoy thoroughly.
And maybe had the most to say? And the cast was great and given lots of freedom to do fun stuff.
Definitely. He somehow got the budget AND Alan Rickman.
 
I watched Clerks and Dogma when I was ~10 years old, far too young to understand or appreciate them
YIKES! I think I was 17 when I saw Clerks? Way more appropriate, heh.
A few years ago, I went back and rewatched Clerks, and I watched nerd classics Mallrats and Chasing Amy for the first time. There are a few unfortunate "of the era" issues with all of them, but the heart of what Smith was saying still rang true.
I need to watch Mallrats again to see these issues. I don't doubt they're there, but I'm sure my memory is blind to them. I may not even notice them now since it just takes me back to that time of my life.

Also, anyone who has access to the Mallrats commentary track, it's gold. In fact, I think all the ones he's done that I've heard are gold. Even Jersey Girl, in which Mewes does not appear, Mewes is on it and it's hilarious. And not just for all the shit they talk about Affleck. To be fair, they talk even worse shit when he's in the studio with them.
He's become a bit of a meme of a filmmaker, but the guy put out some solid work. I'd call him underrated now.
I definitely feel he is underrated. Apatow and the like watched Smith fall over barbed wire then stepped right over him.
I'm excited to revisit Dogma next.
I am too actually. If nothing else, it's one of my favorite Carlin performances. but almost everyone is fantastic in it.

And to be totally open, I haven't seen most of his recent work. I didn't see Red State, Yoga Hosers, Tusk, or even Clerks 3. I know what happens in Clerks 3 and the inspiration for it, but I don't know if I can watch it. but yeah, now that I think about it, a lot of his movies DO have something from his life that inspired it. Like Randall's thing in Clerks 2 about if he'd known Dante was going to abandon him, he never would have bothered, was apparently how he felt when Mosier wanted to move on from their creative partnership.

I dunno, I guess things like the commentary, and being very aware of a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, the genuine real life friendships and such, all that plays heavily into my appreciation for his movies as well.
 
Kevin Smith is great. I strayed away from him when he started doing horror-tinged things (just not my scene), but came back for Fatman Beyond - where I ultimately stayed for Marc Bernardin. Kevin's "An Evening with" DVDs were staples in my collection and I have unjustified fondness for the Clerks Animated show. I still "That's cold Obi-Wan" on a semi-regular basis.
 
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