Four Horsemen Studios Mythic Legions

I dig it. Didn't want to shell out more than a little bit up front but I don't mind kicking BBTS some business for something that'll come out in a year from now. I thought about getting dupes of the wizard and rogue to have the parts for both options but wasn't ready to commit another 60 bucks or so up front.
 
I only got a couple skeletons to fill out the grunt ranks and then that Ranger and Jaguar head set. Don't care about the game whatsoever, just wanted some figures. I might have to add on to get some of those stands though, those looked really neat.
 
I’ll give the Horsemen a hard time for clearly wanting the $3.7m crowd that showed up for the dragon to make them one of the biggest gaming Kickstarters of all time before retreating to the management victory of “$1.5m makes us number 3 in toys”…

But I’ll also give them their flowers for keeping the retail prices so low for these! Like $20 for the add ons is a steal especially since a good cape can cost $20 without a jaguar head on eBay. Like, these are still cheap enough if I was struck with an idea for a custom I could easily buy an extra to make it not “eh, Big Bad wants how much? Yeah, that ideas not $60 fun… (looking at you Poxxus)”
 
But I’ll also give them their flowers for keeping the retail prices so low for these!
I won't. Not praising them for re-releasing the same parts in different colors for the eight-hundredth time for slightly less than they could get away with. It wasn't service to the fans. It was an attempt to get people to buy more... on products made with sculpts and tooling that has paid for itself twenty times over already. Another million bucks for the Horsemen for the amount of effort it takes me to sit on HeroForge and click color options on an existing model.
 
I won't. Not praising them for re-releasing the same parts in different colors for the eight-hundredth time for slightly less than they could get away with. It wasn't service to the fans. It was an attempt to get people to buy more... on products made with sculpts and tooling that has paid for itself twenty times over already. Another million bucks for the Horsemen for the amount of effort it takes me to sit on HeroForge and click color options on an existing model.
It's weird and probably doesn't say nice things about me that I agree with all of this and even the additional argument that thise well-worn parts are also dated in articulation scheme and yet I buy much of what 4HM puts out. I love the line while readily acknowledging its limitations and wishing for retirement of many parts (esp. heads!)
 
It's weird and probably doesn't say nice things about me that I agree with all of this and even the additional argument that thise well-worn parts are also dated in articulation scheme and yet I buy much of what 4HM puts out. I love the line while readily acknowledging its limitations and wishing for retirement of many parts (esp. heads!)
I think it's fair to point out that we live in the world where if you like Marvel action figures, you're kind of stuck with Marvel Legends regardless of any complaints. If you like fantasy figures, you're kind of stuck with 4H, regardless of any complaints. Etc etc. I'd judge you a lot more harshly if it felt like you had a lot of collecting options in this space, but you don't. I'll argue all day that Savage Crucible is a thousand times the product that Mythic Legions is. But it's also in the early stages and doesn't have a lot of variety yet. So, barring that line, where else can you really go if you have that itch for fantasy figures?
 
There were like 5 new heads created for this so at least there will be more things to have repainted now going forward. The amount of mileage they do get out of their sculpts is nothing short of impressive. I do feel they are putting out more and more new pieces but the bits they do reuse are becoming more deliberate choices now and not forced by library limitations. Part reuse is just a reality of modern figures. At least they attempt to make each repaint something new and not just more of the same.

The willingness to do such good soft good materials really helps with the reuse too. A new overlay can make something years old feel like an all new figure.
 
Honestly, knowing they can produce these parts at these prices and that their figures are built to be dismantled and kitbashed but they make it hard enough to get spare parts that someone can break apart a single knight figure and resell every single piece of the body for $20 each is like... what is this business model? They could LEGO this shit if they wanted to, just put a parts library online or sell it through BBTS or whatever.
 
At least they attempt to make each repaint something new and not just more of the same.
WILDLY disagree with that. "Here's eight different color variants of the same exact figure." It's lazy as fuck. And people eat it up, for whatever reason.

That isn't to say they never do anything cool or interesting, or that they never do re-use well. Of course they do all of those things. But they sprinkle those things into a line that is otherwise just.... cynical... in how much it's just "we painted this one blue, then we painted it black, then we painted it white."
 
WILDLY disagree with that. "Here's eight different color variants of the same exact figure."
That is one things that appeals to me actually, I've always liked having in an army builder type character the same look but available in an assortment of colors/heads - like Trek, have the different colors represent different "roles". If it wasn't a $60+ figure, I probably would have gotten a a bunch of the Paladins with the blue and green and gold highlights (and then been on the hunt for the panther and leopard heads). To me this is a good use of "reuse".
 
Honestly, knowing they can produce these parts at these prices and that their figures are built to be dismantled and kitbashed but they make it hard enough to get spare parts that someone can break apart a single knight figure and resell every single piece of the body for $20 each is like... what is this business model? They could LEGO this shit if they wanted to, just put a parts library online or sell it through BBTS or whatever.
It's a numbers game. I'm guessing they just haven't hit the economic threshold to be able to justify investing in the additional jobs and infrastructure an operation like that would require.

Resellers on eBay might be able to sell spare parts for $12-20, but I think the 4H would have to lower those prices to like $5-8 per part to really motivate their customers and that's a pretty small sale for the time and cost it would take to pack and ship something. In order to be cost-effective at those low prices, they'd probably have to utilize cheaper Chinese labor at the factory to ship out parts like that. That might have been workable under Biden, but President Jackass' unpredictability makes overseas investments like that more risky.

We don't know the size of the Horsemen's actual market, but this Kickstarter reaching roughly 3,500 backers provides some kind of benchmark from which to guage the market because as we've pointed out a lot this last month, this Kickstarter was clearly all about the toys and was unlikely to bring in many TTRPG fans who weren't already 4H collectors. Even if we generously double that market, that's still only 7,000 4H collectors out there.

Of those assumed 7,000 Legions collectors, I'd be curious to know what percentage of them really do much popping and swapping. The whole reason I collect both Mythic and Cosmic Legions is because of their modular design, but I'm old enough to know my tastes aren't most people's tastes. I remember there was a user on The Fwoosh who scolded the rest of us for popping and swapping our Legions figures because we were disrespecting the creative thought and effort that went into creating that unnamed Silver Knight in the first place. If the Reddit community for Legions is any kind of indicative microcosm, I'd bet fewer than half of all Legions collectors would ever buy spare parts for swapping. So now we're back down to those dedicated 3-4,000 collectors buying $5-8 parts at all, let alone with consistency. Unfortunately, that juice just isn't worth the squeeze, and I say that as someone who buys a lot of overpriced Legions parts on eBay.
 
Good analysis of the numbers there, @RunestoneCowboy - they bring in a lot of cash from their projects but the audience is relatively small - I kind of wonder what the "Mythic Legions economy" looks like and how much money just sort of passes back and forth between collectors swapping parts. (I just picked up some bits and bobs to try to make myself like Diis Paater more since I really hate his claw hands and would've loved to have just gone to a store and bought two hands, two feet or whatever but...)

I also reckon getting fans to buy entire figures for spare parts helps the bottom line a lot. I'm desperate for an unmasked head to pop on that fan channel MOTU homage that just released. Wonder if money-wise if it'd be beneficial or lose them money to just have a couple of head-pack bundles on their site at all times. Or like a base body - I'm trying to figure out if I have parts to use Skapular's robe on another body somehow, but I think I've got spare arms and legs but not hips or torso or head.)
 
I understand why the 4H aren’t going to set up a Pick-A-Brick style Hero Forge build-a-Legion mail order system… but I just wish they could do “cheap figures” better

Like the $30 ($35 retail) for a basic figure isn’t a bad deal, I wish there was a little more variety (though what is there is pretty good, I’m just worried since the “game” was a bust the next “RPG wave” is all $45+ deluxe figures since if you’re gonna sell to toy boys, take as much money as you can…) but Armory Knights for $45 is ridiculous for something that should have been a slam dunk army builder/custom fodder and that’s why there’s still some lingering on the site over a year later. $20 for naked Skeleton is a good deal, except they’re blind boxed.

Like just do $25 all grey scale figures under the pretense of “statues of Myytthoss” or something
 
The armory experience they do at Legions Con is probably the closest they’ll ever get to that pick a brick type experience. I agree that volume is what makes something like that cost prohibitive. The armory apparently is quite the headache as it is, doing that online or in even smaller pieces would probably be more problems than it’s worth. I’m surprised some retailers haven’t tried something like that though.
 
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