Harvinger Studios, Savage Crucible

I'm not sure they've ever explicitly ruled out doing another Elric, I think they've just said that he's not one of the Moorcock figs they've been teasing. Even if they did have another Elric planned, they wouldn't want people to pass on this Elric on the assumption that they might like the next version better. And they are doing more Eternal Champions since the Silver Warrior with the polar bears is one, isn't he?
 
I'm not sure they've ever explicitly ruled out doing another Elric, I think they've just said that he's not one of the Moorcock figs they've been teasing. Even if they did have another Elric planned, they wouldn't want people to pass on this Elric on the assumption that they might like the next version better. And they are doing more Eternal Champions since the Silver Warrior with the polar bears is one, isn't he?
Actually yeah, you're right. I'd forgotten they were hinting hard at Silver Warrior, and he is Count Urlik... Urlak? I forget which. Definitely an Eternal Champion.
 
So, a lot of information was dumped.

Death Dealer is predicted to go out in two to three weeks. They felt the chain mail was too long when they had it at Zolocon, so they sent it back to the factory to be adjusted. At the same time the way they stitched the chain mail had changed at the factor, and they had to retool a new belt. Since they wanted to make sure it's quality, it's been delayed. But they do predict it to ship with in two to three weeks and take eight to ten weeks on the water. So, 3 and a half months or so. I would guess early July for it to start shipping to us.

Everyone who pre-ordered, or bought from a retailer who pre-orederd, will be getting a special surprise in addition to the card and blind bag sword. If it's what they showed me at Zolocon it might be a blood splatter effect where you mount it to the ball peg and the head elsewhere on the effect to make it look like a figure was beheaded. But they were also showing off personal things they made, so the beheading effect might be one of those. I think it's the special surprise.

Tomorrow's the last day to pre-order Death Dealer's horse, otherwise I feel like you will have to hope for an in-stock sale.

The horse is 90% done and waiting at the factory, (which I suspected because the owner said in a previous live steam that he had to make a quick decision when Fish Toys offered to let him use the mold.) The second head and saddle tooling was completed last week. They expect the turnaround to be quick and on track for 4th quarter.

Elric pre-orderes need t be paid in full tomorrow, possibly Saturday. Sometime this weekend they will start to cancel pre-orderes not paid in full. If you haven't got an email contact their customer service.

Any leftover stock will go up for an in-stock sale.

They said they won't be able to use Elric's body for future figures, or at least not the whole thing. They did say they tooled pieces that can be combined with some of Elric's parts to create other knight figures. They specifically mentioned Elrics thighs and torso are more slender than their regular figures, which I took as a hint they have those are the other parts they tailed.

The owner, Rob Post, asked for fan feedback if we wanted to continue with pre-orders, or just blind drops, or a combination of both. He also talked about more stands sets, with one confirmed to be going into production.

Part of wave 3 is complete but other parts are in production. They talked about how logistics factor into why some times big waves are slower to get done than single figures.

They asked what non-female non-Conan Frazetta figure we would like to see next. They're listening.

They teased a third line of figures. I'm not sure if that's another subline in Savage Crucble like the Frazetta line, or if it's a third line in addition to Savage Crucible and their Collegiate Legends line. Collegiate Legends is up to 15 teams.

They mentioned that they are hoping to release a figure a month or so through drops and sales; they may put a figure up for in-stock sales one at a time starting in May; maybe June. They asked what figures we would like them to make, and hinted at a samurai inspired figure. One of their more requested figure is a tiger warrior and they said he would have to be done in a larger scale, but didn't verbally rule it out.

They showed a digital render of a fully articulated Great Dane. It will not come with the new sand pack. It also sounds like all the items for the gold blind bags aren't all out in circulation yet.

I did not know Silver Warrior was an Eternal Champion. I apologize for any mis-information. I attribute it to poor memory and my unfamiliarity with Morecock's (more cocks) work.
 
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Great recap of the stream
They said they won't be able to use Elric's body for future figures, or at least not the whole thing.
Did Rob say they won't be able to, or that he didn't currently plan to? I thought he said that there was nothing in the pipeline currently that uses Elric's parts but I didn't notice him say anything about whether or not he could, contractually.
 
He didn't actually say it, rewatching I can see I was wrong about that. He did go out of his way to emphasize we might see something soon using the new molded parts that weren't used for Elric, combined with some parts from Elric to make something new. He said he currently has no actual plans to reuse the entirety of Elric's armor at the moment. On rewatch it felt like he just hasn't figured out a creative reuse as of yet.
 
He didn't actually say it, rewatching I can see I was wrong about that. He did go out of his way to emphasize we might see something soon using the new molded parts that weren't used for Elric, combined with some parts from Elric to make something new. He said he currently has no actual plans to reuse the entirety of Elric's armor at the moment. On rewatch it felt like he just hasn't figured out a creative reuse as of yet.
I'm 100% fine with this anyway. Particularly the upper torso is already kind of ... wild... in design and not something I'd be too interested in seeing in non-Elric figures. Let Elric be a unique-looking figure on the shelf. Plenty of opportunities to use armored bodies in the future, which means more than enough reason to have more than one sculpt for plate armor.

And, as mentioned, Elric is quite svelt. Real knights actually were too, so I'm not asking for a much thicker figure, but I imagine they will want Elric to stand out as -uniquely- thin even among other relatively slim characters. I do hope they don't go too burly with the knights, though.


hey mentioned that they are hoping to release a figure a month or so through drops and sales
I have to say... while I understand his logic for regular drops and word of mouth and all that... I fucking hate it. I hate it so much. It's basically pissing in the eye of every collector that isn't in the US. Do those guys pay any attention, even on their own website, to how much shipping outside the US costs? I gotta just sit here and watch other people get figures and say 'well, I hope the next year's worth of figures stays in stock and never sells out so that I can buy them all at once because paying 30-40 dollars in shipping PER FIGURE is fucking gross and asking me to do it at all is massively disrespectful and extremely tone deaf to the current economic climate.


Thanks for the break down, Dek!
 
I hear what you're saying, but as a newer company it helps to build your fan base. Most people can budget roughly the same amount each month every month, and people will many times justify its just one figure a month.

But I acknowledge your rightful concerns about shipping costs. I'm just trying to nuance the conversation not trivialize real concerns.

The owner said he has also neglected visiting Canadian toy shows and has no real reason for it. Maybe he has neglected the bigger online retailers too? Can you guys ask places like Ages3andUp if they would carry? Maybe if they knew there was a market they might contact Savage Crucible to become a distributor? I don't know, I'm just trying to spit ball idea to possibly help you find avenues to mitigate costs.

And thank you for the compliment.
 
I also want to relay that I found out the other day when I ordered a painting, (Death Dealer because I be basic,) the Frazetta Museum, (not Frazetta Girls,) still has preorders for Death Dealer and Kubla Khan up. If anybody's looking. Death Dealer is 10 dollars less than at BBTS. Shipping costs will probably put them around the same, but you also support the Frazetta Museum buying directly from them.
 
I hear what you're saying, but as a newer company it helps to build your fan base. Most people can budget roughly the same amount each month every month, and people will many times justify its just one figure a month.
I understand that's the theory. I'm not convinced it's actually true. Nor am I convinced that if people can generally afford a figure a month that the correct answer is 'we must -release- a figure every month.' You can release three figures. If they all sell out immediately, then you were wrong presuming people wouldn't support that strategy. If you're right, the worst thing that happens is people grab a figure, come back a month or two later to grab another figure, and so on until everything sells out (or sells through to satisfaction).

I think the bigger reason they do this is because it keeps people -talking- more consistently about figures, rather than a big explosion of conversation every 3-5 months when a new drop happens and then the cool period where everyone has said their piece about the new stuff and are just waiting for new releases again.
But, my counter to that is that it doesn't really seem to make a difference. People are talking about SC because it's a really good line of toys and still fairly new. I don't see much evidence that new drops are necessarily driving conversation nearly as much as upcoming reveals. And, as other toy companies demonstrate, you can 'reveal' stuff almost constantly if you're conservative with it.

Just my opinions. I'm not in any kind of position to tell Harvinger how to run their business. I just know that, for my personal needs, what they're doing now REALLY does not work for me and actively makes the line not just more difficult to collect, but almost unaffordable to collect. Which -seems- like a shitty business model unless your business model is 'only America matters.' Which, to be fair, does seem to be the primary model for loads of companies.
 
Well, as a country we are taught to embrace and die for consumerism, especially for items that are purely indulgent, from the moment we see out first commercial. It make out richer richer and our poor complacent.

It's got to be easy money for small, growing companies.
 
I have to say... while I understand his logic for regular drops and word of mouth and all that... I fucking hate it. I hate it so much. It's basically pissing in the eye of every collector that isn't in the US. Do those guys pay any attention, even on their own website, to how much shipping outside the US costs? I gotta just sit here and watch other people get figures and say 'well, I hope the next year's worth of figures stays in stock and never sells out so that I can buy them all at once because paying 30-40 dollars in shipping PER FIGURE is fucking gross and asking me to do it at all is massively disrespectful and extremely tone deaf to the current economic climate.


Thanks for the break down, Dek!


I have my own grievances, but I am told ecollectibles has been pretty consistent and reliable for special SC things for Mooselandia.
 
I have my own grievances, but I am told ecollectibles has been pretty consistent and reliable for special SC things for Mooselandia.
I don't think I've ever used ecollectibles before. I think I remember looking at their site once and being like 'feels scammy' and then never went back. DJC gets in lots of good stuff, but it seems like they go out of stock fast on everything. And ToySnowman doesn't get in jack shit most of the time. That guy seems like he'd rather be running a Pokemon and Warhammer store at this point.
 
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