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[secondwhiteline]

Never heard of that channel before. But I'm 10 minutes into the video now and I'm on board.

I hadn't heard of it either, but a friend of mine from a movie Discord passed that along. Great, comprehensive arguments in that; I love how he draws in philosophical notions of physical perception. (Also, I've never seen the Avatar films and I have to say, based on those clips, the credit given to their physical worldbuilding seems merited. That seems like digital done right.)

 

[PantherCult]

Imagine if the Deviants had been handled like 1980s Xenomorphs instead of the same interchangeable trash throw-away CGI enemies we get in every fucking big budget movie. I guarantee you the average movie-goer can't even remember the difference between Deviants and whatever the fuck Thanos's stupid bullshit monsters were called.

Imagine if the Deviants were actual uniquely designed characters that were 'monsterish' but in no way generic - the way Kirby designed them. That would have been better for sure. Kro, Ransak, Karkas... ahh what might have been

 

[RichardSimmonsRobot]

I just wish they'd dial down the whole connected universe thing. Yeah, I get it, it's neat that these heroes all basically inhabit the same world, but I don't need every movie to advance the plot of everyone else's story. It's just too much of a load to bare and it contributes to these movies feeling like homework. When I was a kid watching X-Men every Saturday morning, I never cared or even wondered what the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Spider-Man, etc. were up to while the X-Men fought with Apocalypse or assed around in the Savage Land. Just focus on the micro story the movie is trying to tell for a change.

I read X-Men and only X-Men as a kid, with the occassional rare one off's like someone giving me a Nova #1 or something like that. I enjoyed when the X-Men visited on Spiderman's show as it was just more X-Men animation to me. Beyond that I just think of it more as "Spiderman and the F4 are in NYC, which the X-Men often visit since they're further out in NY state." I didn't particularly care about crossovers beyond the fact that theses were just likely people to come into contact with because they occupied the same superhero geographic foot print. Spidey, F4, the Avengers, Punisher, Daredevil were all just part of the makeup of NYC. What they were up to was superfluous to me outside of what my beloved X-Men were up to with their awesome jet that was clearly so much cooler than a Quinjet!

Onslaught was alright, but I think I'd have liked it more as just an X-Men story, as the F4, and Avengers getting "massacred" mostly stole the narrative away from Professor X's psychic powers going nuts and turning on his students.

 

[Akatsuki]

I've really enjoyed goofy Thor quite a lot, but I am absolutely ready for serious Thor.

I think MCU Thor is amusing, but he’s basically comic book Hercules in terms of personality, right? What are they going to do with MCU Hercules if he ever really shows up beyond a cameo?


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[Damien]

I think MCU Thor is amusing, but he’s basically comic book Hercules in terms of personality, right? What are they going to do with MCU Hercules if he ever really shows up beyond a cameo?


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I mean, I think the obvious answer is that they're never going to pay off that Hercules reveal anyway with Secret War and a soft reboot around the corner. It'll be one of a thousand dropped storylines/characters. But if they did, the impression I got was they were going to go with a more serious version of Hercules. Basically make MCU Hercules more like a lot of versions of comic Thor, ironically.

 

[TheSameIdiot]

Hah, did you watch this video too?

Thank you for sharing. I guess I didn't realize the extent to which shooting in front of a green screen has ruined movies. Everything looks like shit now.

His b-roll choices were excellent, too. Sorcerer is such a raw movie. Even divorced from their original context, every frame of Lawrence of Arabia has me on the verge of tears.

 

[Schizm]

I can go two directions with this; accept it and try to win back your love with a thousand excellent hot takes, or burn this bridge to the ground and write 46 paragraphs on everything wrong with Eternals and why it fails as a film and as a Marvel entry.

Personally, I'd like to warm myself from the flames while reading 46 paragraphs. Sounds cozy.

I think they hyped Eternals as more a sophisticated comic book film given Chloe Zhao being a recent Oscar winner and all that, which probably didn't help really as it already seemed disconnected from the rest of the MCU (pretty much the only MCU film after Phase 1 that did not have some sort of other MCU character cameo). I think promoting the aspirations of a film does not always help it.

Spoiler: Some Eternals speculation

I would have loved to have seen more about what the Eternals might have been feeling about Earth being on the cusp of birthing Tiamut so their mission was over and then bam, half the planet gets snapped and they are thinking its going to be another 50 years or more to get back to the number they need.

I really would have liked that - plus their reaction to having seen the impact of half the planet being wiped out including those they knew - to question whether they wanted to see everyone die for Tiamut. In other words, why not tie their rebellion this time to the MCU events and the unprecedented experience they went though with the Snap and then return?

Your speculation is similar to mine. I really wish the MCU had used Eternals to really think about all you said, and then utilized the Snap as a delay to Tiamut and then suddenly it's birthing time right after Earth's heroes saved half the UNIVERSE. Does *this planet* that produced *those people* deserve to die?

Big mistake. Huge.

 

[altcunningham]

Thank you for sharing. I guess I didn't realize the extent to which shooting in front of a green screen has ruined movies. Everything looks like shit now.

His b-roll choices were excellent, too. Sorcerer is such a raw movie. Even divorced from their original context, every frame of Lawrence of Arabia has me on the verge of tears.

The Elements vs FX was such a beautiful visual point. Especially the fire

 

[Sgt. Stinky]

Obviously, I am in the minority but all the interconnectedness IS what I have loved about the MCU. I have never had a problem tracking and remembering characters or story carryovers. I am the guy in the office who everyone comes to to ask questions of-Lol. I was this way with the TV show Lost too. My mind just works that way I guess. I certainly understand why that's a turn off though for most people. One of my coworkers bailed after Endgame because he didn't want to keep track or have to watch anything to watch something else. I get it for sure. My brother would never enjoy having to do that. I am the oddball who just doesn't understand the love for Avatar. I just found it incredibly boring and have no desire to see the sequels. I'm a weirdo.

 

[altcunningham]

The interconnectedness was cool until it became connecting for the sake of connecting and not actually building anything meaningful. Or at least following up on the promise of what they were flashing.

Obviously that's going to vary on which characters you were invested in.

 

[altcunningham]

I always think of when Bendis took over Avengers in the 2000s and suddenly every character ever was a New Yorker together speaking Yiddish.

You could even walk it back to Hudlin who decided that every black character was connected and best friends because they were black.

I think it destroyed the... There was like a tension that was balanced between Spider-Man on his own and Spider-Man hanging out with Wolverine. And once they started networking and crossing over left and right and living together, it wasn't a reward. It was the status quo and it really wasn't interesting.

 

[AceofKnaves]

Interconnectedness in the sense of “all these characters exist in the same universe together and *can* interact” is different, for me at least, than interconnected in the sense of “this is literally a serial and all chapters *must* be watched to get the full picture of the singular climax”.
I love the former, I have a complex and sometimes negative relationship with the latter.

 

[altcunningham]

Interconnectedness in the sense of “all these characters exist in the same universe together and *can* interact” is different, for me at least, than interconnected in the sense of “this is literally a serial and all chapters *must* be watched to get the full picture of the singular climax”.
I love the former, I have a complex and sometimes negative relationship with the latter.

I agree.

I wonder if it's also that the Hollywood meta had to show its hand.

Winter Soldier. It's cool to introduce Falcon but logically, isn't there a deeper roster of Avengers that should have been called in given the stakes. But of course, you're not making it Avengers movie and you're not wanting to pay even one of those people to come in. Falcon makes more sense even if as nerds we also know there is like a historical relevance to that choice.

Actually having said that, didn't Tony go through the hella Carrier computer in Avengers. How did he miss HYDRA leading into WS? It's a conceit you just have to make because you want to watch a fun movie.

Or at least it's one I make.

 

[TheGillMan]

I am the oddball who just doesn't understand the love for Avatar. I just found it incredibly boring and have no desire to see the sequels. I'm a weirdo.

I don't get it either. It's a really dumb, unoriginal story in a shiny package.

Interconnectedness in the sense of “all these characters exist in the same universe together and *can* interact” is different, for me at least, than interconnected in the sense of “this is literally a serial and all chapters *must* be watched to get the full picture of the singular climax”.
I love the former, I have a complex and sometimes negative relationship with the latter.

This is how I feel. I love the idea of a shared universe, and the occasional crossover, but I don't need for EVERY SINGLE STORY to be part of one big giant story. Sure, have a Spider-Man cameo in a Captain America movie or something...but don't make it where you have no idea what the hell is going on if you haven't seen every Spider-Man movie. Have Thor off fighting giants, have Cap fighting neo-Nazis, have Hulk and Iron Man go on a road trip to Vegas that goes sidewise....and then every few years have a movie where they all team up to fight something big and very bad. It gets to a point where each MCU movie seems like a big preview for the next MCU movie.

 

[Enforcer]

I think Dan is starting to hear about it re: the KITH shit. Hopefully we'll find out the likelihood of the P2 variants making their way into a regular release.