Tracking toy tariffs

I've been ordering from Japan for slightly over 20 years. I might be thinking of a different store, but I swear my first orders with HLJ were paid with a money order. For some reason, I think HLJ had a PO Box in Maryland or Delaware for payments? Looking back, it's so funny sending so many random stores money orders. Never got burned by anybody.

Amiami sent an email saying they might have to cancel paid orders, but now they posted an announcement they are holding orders until they can find a shipping option. It must've been tough looking at all those potential cancelations.
 
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Toy Snowman has posted a video as well:


I think he might be a little too optimistic about Canada Post getting their act together on this situation. First because it is Canada Post, but second they are dealing with a problematic union negotiation right now and I don't know that they are using enough "bandwidth" on the US problem. Who know?
 
It wouldn't be the first time this administration said one thing, then promptly did the opposite, but it looks like he's digging his heels in on this one. I expect this to last at least until we're closer to the midterm elections.
 
Electoral-vote.com has a good write up.
Politically, the big questions about Donald Trump's Trade Wars are: (1) Who will feel the pinch?; (2) How soon? and(3) Will it affect their votes? Due to a Trump administration decision that looks, at least to us, to be pretty foolhardy, we may start to get answers more quickly than expected.


At issue here is what is known as the de minimis exemption to tariffs. Under the terms of the exemption, a U.S.consumer can import up to $800 per day of goods without paying tariffs or administrative fees. The practical implication of this, for most people, is that if, say, someone in Iowa orders a book from a seller in the United Kingdom, the seller can just send it via regular post (assuming the book's value is less than $800). A substantial amount of commerce takes place in this manner.


The White House, for its part, is referring to this as the "de minimis loophole." This is messaging that some media outlets, even non-right-wing ones, have adopted, and it's very misleading. In fact, the de minimis exception is close toa century old, having been adopted in 1938. Since then, Congress has revisited it on occasion, to raise the daily limit(the $800 limit, for example, was established in 2016, by an overwhelming bipartisan majority). It's hardly a "loophole"if Congress has looked at the thing a dozen times and... expanded it each time. The obvious purpose here is to avoid involving multiple extra layers of red tape to relatively small-dollar transactions, where the cost of collection maywell exceed the revenue that is realized.


As part of his Trade War(s), Trump has decided to bring an end to the de minimis exception. Claiming, yet again,that there is a "national emergency," he issued an executive order that kills the exception for most transactions, as of tomorrow. Here is Senior Counselor to the President for Trade and Manufacturing Peter Navarro, explaining the administration's position:


President Trump's ending of the deadly de minimis loophole will save thousands of American lives by restricting the flow of narcotics and other dangerous and prohibited items, add up to $10 billion a year in tariff revenues to our Treasury,create thousands of jobs, and defend against billions of dollar more in losses in counterfeiting, piracy, andintellectual property theft.

As with most things that come from this administration, and pretty much everything that comes from Navarro, this doesn't pass the smell test. For example, even if we assume drug cartels try to sneak their stuff into the U.S. viamail, why would a tariff help combat that? Do we really imagine that, in that scenario, they honestly and correctly identify their package as containing $10,000 worth of cocaine? Or that they would say "Well, if we have to pay a tariff,we're not going to make any money on that cocaine!"? Similarly, if such tariffs were to "create thousands of jobs," it would be by causing consumers to buy from Americans instead of foreigners. But if so, then there won't be tariff revenue. It's another example of "you can't have it both ways"—you can't have a tariff that is substantially revenue-generating AND protectionist at the same time.


And although the new rule hasn't quite kicked in yet, the effects are already coming home to roost. Consider, first of all,something like this ship:

A blue Maersk container shipwith hundreds and hundreds of cargo containers on its deck, with more being loaded by cranes



We do not know too much about the inner workings of big-time international shipping. But we know enough to know that there's someone in the port of departure who is an expert in dealing with tariffs and customs. And there is someone on the ship who is an expert in dealing with tariffs and customs. And there is someone in the port(s) of arrival who is an expert in dealing with tariffs and customs. Probably many someones, in each case. And they are supported by some heavy-duty software. These folks are all professionals, and their skills are a necessity when you're dealing with cargo valued in the tens of millions of dollars (or more).


And now, the big problem with the new, de minimis-free era that is set to begin tomorrow. When Mr. John Bull in London mails out a book to his customer, Sam Uncle in Iowa, there's nobody in the chain who is an expert in tariffs, and there's no infrastructure for collecting such duties. Remember, the de minimis exception has been around in the U.S. for generations, and the same is true in most other countries.


We guess—though you never know with this White House—that the thinking was that the various foreign postal services and vendors would adapt, but that is not what is happening. Already, postal carriers in Australia,Denmark, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom have announced that they are stopping shipments to the United States for now. Some of them say they are going to try to retool their systems, others are not so sure. In addition, many businesses who ship product to the U.S. say they are going to stop entirely, either because they don't want to risk any sort of legal or economic peril, or because they cannot profitably sell their goods with an additional excise attached.
 
Rightwing economist Stephen Moore standing with Trump as he points to a chart with the subtitle "Medium Income". I graduated from a four year college with a minor in economics and even I know that is wrong. Can you guess which of these guys once owed $300K in spousal and child support? Trump would be the wrong answer.

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Just got a few BBTS POL notifications and seeing the tariff fees kick in. Interestingly, and I have to assume it is dependent on when the figures got through the ports, figures from the same wave have between a 2.5% increase to over 10% increase with the tariff fees. Fortunately this time they're all just $20 figures so it's not a huge hit, but I'm regretting preordering a couple of imports. I think I've only got two that'll arrive in the next six months but still... this nonsense is so unnecessary for retailers and customers to have to deal with.
 
Peter Navarro truly is the dumbest man to ever call himself an economist.

I disagree, but I totally get why it would appear so given the clumsy, arbitrary way this is being handled or by listening to what he's saying about it. He's lying; his real agenda is more to weaken China than anything else. Unlike Trump he's an ideologue whose crusade is to strengthen the US relative to China, and he's for all of this because it moves us in that direction in ways he agrees with. I'm sure he's also appalled by the way Trump is handling this, but of course he can't say that and as long as Trump is carrying out his anti-China agenda he's holding his nose about the rest.

That doesn't mean I agree with him; I'm just pointing out that his real motive isn't financial, it's the international politics of power. And it's hard to disagree that China is by far the biggest long-term threat to the US among all nations in the world. This isn't the way to handle it, but he's not at all dumb. He's just acquiescing to Trump's stupidity to advance his own agenda.
 
For example, even if we assume drug cartels try to sneak their stuff into the U.S. viamail, why would a tariff help combat that? Do we really imagine that, in that scenario, they honestly and correctly identify their package as containing $10,000 worth of cocaine? Or that they would say "Well, if we have to pay a tariff,we're not going to make any money on that cocaine!"?
No, it just means they're going to raise the price of cocaine to cover the tariff. I really can't catch a break.
 
It wouldn't be the first time this administration said one thing, then promptly did the opposite, but it looks like he's digging his heels in on this one. I expect this to last at least until we're closer to the midterm elections.
We know Trump has terrible political instincts. Without his friends in the media covering for him and his cult of personality, his political career would've been over before it started. That said, it's impossible to overstate how stupid this is. You're hitting Americans where they'll feel it first: their disposable income.
Fortunately this time they're all just $20 figures so it's not a huge hit
I fully intend on recording how much I spend on toy tariffs over the next 3.5 years.
I'm regretting preordering a couple of imports.
I feel myself pulling back, too. Another great omen for the economy.
He's lying; his real agenda is more to weaken China than anything else.
Not sure I buy this. It seems like his real agenda is to weaken America's working class. Tariffs hurt us far more than China. China can find new trade partners. We're alienating all of ours.

The number one effect of Trump's presidency is weakening America. We're going to lose allies, burn relationships, and destroy the power and wealth built up since FDR's New Deal. The only question is how crippled we'll be by the time he leaves office.
And it's hard to disagree that China is by far the biggest long-term threat to the US among all nations in the world
China already lapped us. They have the biggest economy in the world. When we elected Trump the first time, we lost our ability to stay competitive. We cut scientific research and shot ourselves in the foot on renewable energy, the biggest growth sector in the world.

By the time Trump's gone, we're going to be lightyears behind on solar, EVs, and battery technology. Our best and brightest decided to focus on AI instead. Electing Trump, a grifter president, was another step toward the grifter economy. America in 2025 is a scammer's dream come true.
Those poor law students - how are they going to cram for their exams if they keep raising the price of cocaine?
Pour one out for the finance bros.
 
Got notice that the SHF Yoda I ordered from Amazon Japan is coming the first week of October.
I predict it will be delivered 6 weeks late by a blind, one-armed Sherpa riding a bent-eared donkey and it'll cost me an extra $70 and 9 turnips but only after I perform the multi-grain hoagie fertility dance wearing a vintage Star Wars pillow case loin cloth.
 
Tariffs hurt us far more than China. China can find new trade partners.

I half-agree, but we're by far their biggest partner. Navarro doesn't think we should be building up China, and us building hundreds or thousands of factories there is certainly doing that. He's not wrong about us strengthening them, but he's also not right. I agree with you--the best solution isn't to make ourselves weaker just to make China weaker. The cheaper we can get things the more powerful we become, so from my perspective we're using them more than they're using us. We're both getting stronger from our relationship.

It took me quite a while to realize that getting things at the absolute lowest cost makes you stronger. I have a direct vested interest against believing this because my job as a programmer is most directly threatened by cheaper offshore or foreign labor. Meh...while true, it really would be self-centered to priortize isolationism just to save my job. The country as a whole is better off if we get everything as cheaply as we can.

All of these points become almost entirely moot in the face of artificial intelligence. We're still arguing over whether to make things here or in China, but we're so close to automation doing almost everything that it's going to be a drop in the bucket in twenty years as to where anything is made. Robots will be making everything, and it doesn't matter much what country they're in as they're doing it.
 
The cheaper we can get things the more powerful we become, so from my perspective we're using them more than they're using us.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

By making goods cheaper, we get stronger? With the tariffs, the goods are likely to get more expensive. Not only because of the tariffs, but because of the disruption to the global economy. We're shrinking economies of scale, altering/harming trade relationships, weakening the global economy, and fucking up the global supply chain. It will lead to a global recession.
 
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