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Enforcer said:
In true Marvel Comic form, I don't think they'll start over completely from scratch. I think you'll still get Tom Holland Spider-Man mixed in with recasts. I don't know if I could see Downey continuing as Dr. Doom post Secret War, but it would probably be a while before FF movies revisited him... and I guess the FF cast will be the same?

The whole comic Secret War bringing together everything that kinda worked in different universes into one would really confuse people, though. Getting it right and not just bringing along the old baggage with the promise of All-New All Different is going to take a master stroke. And frankly, I don't know if Feige has that juice anymore. The multi-verse is also a concept that should not be mentioned for a good long while. There is something potentially exciting about rolling the 2000s separate Marvel movies into one big send off for both those and the first iteration of the MCU...
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I could have sworn I read Downey was signed on as Doom for at least one or two more films post Secret War. But I mean... I am far from the type that can successfully keep up with that kind of stuff, let alone parse good info from silly rumours. So maybe not.

And yeah, I imagine you're right about how they're going to do it. I'm just not in love with that approach. I'll reserve judgement for when it happens, of course. Maybe it'll work out great. As you say, though, that's a lot of baggage to drag around just to keep a few actors and maybe not have to re-tread a few plot points you don't want to have to do over. I dunno.



PantherCult said:
So I tend to have a lot of respect for alot of KD's opinions and takes... but this one tarnishes that shine for me.
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I can go two directions with this; accept it and try to win back your love with a thousand excellent hot takes, or burn this bridge to the ground and write 46 paragraphs on everything wrong with Eternals and why it fails as a film and as a Marvel entry.
 
Damien said:
I could have sworn I read Downey was signed on as Doom for at least one or two more films post Secret War. But I mean... I am far from the type that can successfully keep up with that kind of stuff, let alone parse good info from silly rumours. So maybe not.

And yeah, I imagine you're right about how they're going to do it. I'm just not in love with that approach. I'll reserve judgement for when it happens, of course. Maybe it'll work out great. As you say, though, that's a lot of baggage to drag around just to keep a few actors and maybe not have to re-tread a few plot points you don't want to have to do over. I dunno.




I can go two directions with this; accept it and try to win back your love with a thousand excellent hot takes, or burn this bridge to the ground and write 46 paragraphs on everything wrong with Eternals and why it fails as a film and as a Marvel entry.
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For these things I never go in fearing the worst... my expectations may just be low. I've been wrong about so many movies that I expected to be dog shit and ended up being decent (First Class was a lesson) so I just play the "wait and see game." I am genuinely excited about the upcoming Spider-Man, Avengers and X-Men movies... which is more than I could really say for the past 3-4 years (movie wise).

That said, depending how things shake out after Secret War - the deck may be stacked heavily against waiting and seeing turning out to be a very good film (or films).
 
I think they hyped Eternals as more a sophisticated comic book film given Chloe Zhao being a recent Oscar winner and all that, which probably didn't help really as it already seemed disconnected from the rest of the MCU (pretty much the only MCU film after Phase 1 that did not have some sort of other MCU character cameo). I think promoting the aspirations of a film does not always help it.

I would have loved to have seen more about what the Eternals might have been feeling about Earth being on the cusp of birthing Tiamut so their mission was over and then bam, half the planet gets snapped and they are thinking its going to be another 50 years or more to get back to the number they need.

I really would have liked that - plus their reaction to having seen the impact of half the planet being wiped out including those they knew - to question whether they wanted to see everyone die for Tiamut. In other words, why not tie their rebellion this time to the MCU events and the unprecedented experience they went though with the Snap and then return?
 
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Eternals, which I thought was a fine but not great MCU film, put an unfortunate nail in the coffin for MCU movies freeing directors from the "bible" or pre-established rules that directors like Edgar Wright talk about. It's not a bad thing to deviate from, and how you truly get some memorable and unique super hero films. But, if the movie tanks instead... the money people will simply point to the deviations from the established MCU creative boundaries... which... by definition don't sound like a great thing artistically.
 
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It also killed my dream that someone like Alex Garland would direct an MCU film. They let Zhao do a lot they didn't let other Directors do (film outside instead of on a soundstage, have a sex scene, etc.)
 
There are pros and cons of playing outside the box in a film series that is 20+ films and generally geared towards a general audience blockbuster aesthetic - if there was ever a film for Marvel to try it, it was the Eternals - but it can either make it stand out in a good way or make it seem like it is from a different series that it doesn't mesh with - and in this case I think Eternals had some of both, which makes it seem like a "prestige format series" like The Dark Knight Returns mixed in with the ongoing monthly Batman comics.
 
The biggest mistake in Eternals is the biggest mistake a lot of films apparently make; not having a dude with veto power that thinks stupid bullshit shoulnd't be in movies. ONE guy that has to be listened to going 'hey, did you guys actually stop and consider this line of dialogue or this plot point and how utterly fucking ridiculous and idiotic it is and the implications it has for the entire concept of the film? No? Then maybe take it out, you fucking idiot.'

Also... these movies aren't being given a big enough budget for what they want to do, OR they are trying to do too much with the budget they have. Way too much CGI and you can just see them running out of money. Everything is always fucking dark, because dark scenes make the CGI easier to pull off. There's always these half-designed idiotic monster creatures in every fucking movie now and it's just our heroes fighting against blobs of borderline shapeless CGI all the time. It's awful.
Imagine if the Deviants had been handled like 1980s Xenomorphs instead of the same interchangeable trash throw-away CGI enemies we get in every fucking big budget movie. I guarantee you the average movie-goer can't even remember the difference between Deviants and whatever the fuck Thanos's stupid bullshit monsters were called.
 
Damien said:
I kind of wish they'd find a good ending and literally start all over, with all new actors and completely untethered from anything that came before. But that's just me. And, of course, we just have to wait and see how they do it.
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Yes. And please, for the Holy Mary Love of God, do NOT treat Thor and his world like shit and/or a fucking joke. Do his stories right, epic, mythological, and grand, or just don’t bother bringing the character back.
 
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Thor-El said:
Yes. And please, for the Holy Mary Love of God, do NOT treat Thor and his world like shit and/or a fucking joke. Do his stories eight, epic, mythological, and grand, or just don’t bother bringing the character back.
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I've really enjoyed goofy Thor quite a lot, but I am absolutely ready for serious Thor.
 
I just wish they'd dial down the whole connected universe thing. Yeah, I get it, it's neat that these heroes all basically inhabit the same world, but I don't need every movie to advance the plot of everyone else's story. It's just too much of a load to bare and it contributes to these movies feeling like homework. When I was a kid watching X-Men every Saturday morning, I never cared or even wondered what the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Spider-Man, etc. were up to while the X-Men fought with Apocalypse or assed around in the Savage Land. Just focus on the micro story the movie is trying to tell for a change.
 
Misfit said:
I just wish they'd dial down the whole connected universe thing. Yeah, I get it, it's neat that these heroes all basically inhabit the same world, but I don't need every movie to advance the plot of everyone else's story. It's just too much of a load to bare and it contributes to these movies feeling like homework. When I was a kid watching X-Men every Saturday morning, I never cared or even wondered what the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Spider-Man, etc. were up to while the X-Men fought with Apocalypse or assed around in the Savage Land. Just focus on the micro story the movie is trying to tell for a change.
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Agreed. I think what's cool is that they CAN do movies where the characters cameo in, or do a combo film. I don't want it to feel like it NEEDS to be that every single time. When X-Men popped up in Spider-Man, that was really cool. If X-Men and Spider-Man were basically interchangeable shows because all the characters appear in both shows, that would have sucked.
 
Especially when they do get to something like the X-Men. The cast is so large that they really can't waste time trying to integrate outsiders into the story. Doing so would only come at the expense of developing the characters we're actually paying to see on the screen. I found it a strength of Fantastic Four that it very pretty siloed compared with most MCU movies. Of course, they couldn't resist the temptation to cast that aside the second the credits hit.
 
Damien said:
Also... these movies aren't being given a big enough budget for what they want to do, OR they are trying to do too much with the budget they have. Way too much CGI and you can just see them running out of money. Everything is always fucking dark, because dark scenes make the CGI easier to pull off. There's always these half-designed idiotic monster creatures in every fucking movie now and it's just our heroes fighting against blobs of borderline shapeless CGI all the time. It's awful.
Imagine if the Deviants had been handled like 1980s Xenomorphs instead of the same interchangeable trash throw-away CGI enemies we get in every fucking big budget movie. I guarantee you the average movie-goer can't even remember the difference between Deviants and whatever the fuck Thanos's stupid bullshit monsters were called.
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Hah, did you watch this video too?
 
Misfit said:
Especially when they do get to something like the X-Men. The cast is so large that they really can't waste time trying to integrate outsiders into the story. Doing so would only come at the expense of developing the characters we're actually paying to see on the screen. I found it a strength of Fantastic Four that it very pretty siloed compared with most MCU movies. Of course, they couldn't resist the temptation to cast that aside the second the credits hit.
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Disney made so much money on the Avengers franchise that I fear studios will chase the shared universe idea until long after I'm dead.
 
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