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Is Psylocke on the same body as Warbird? She looks bigger to me. I haven't opened my set yet, so my visibility is limited.
 
As far as Wolverine’s bigness is concerned..welcome to the wonderful world of 90’s comic book art. After Mark Silvestri left art duties on the Wolverine solo series and a whole bunch of new talent came in, they made Wolvie an absolute unit. He looked as every bit of his 350 lbs that he was claimed to weigh. His mass wouldn’t go back to being more svelte until the Astonishing era.

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These are exactly what I have in my mind when I mentioned 90s Wolverine earlier. I also loved how the fighting games really captured this. Back to being  very excited for this figure after some reviews...
 
While a bunch of pictures of Wolverine standing all by himself, or using forced perspective ... exist. Here's a cool shot of '90s Wolverine not using any of those tricks. Weird how he's short and still buff as hell. This must be the only time in the '90s that ever happened.

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But for really reals... A) No one is arguing Wolverine can't or shouldn't be wide as hell. B) The 'find a comic panel to make your character scale argument' is at least a 20-year-old bit and never really works. Especially since ML has never been an artist-specific type of line that attempts to capture those specific moments and panels. Although, now we have that McFarlane Statue line for that.

Also also.. Shatterstar is in this image and Colossus is like 900 feet tall for some reason. And, to use the same logic from the earlier Wolverine images, Storm is 15 feet tall, more or less, so I want my 15" Storm. She can be the next HasLab.
 
Enforcer said:
These are exactly what I have in my mind when I mentioned 90s Wolverine earlier. I also loved how the fighting games really captured this. Back to being  very excited for this figure after some reviews...
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Yeah. And all of the covers that I posted were published between 1993-95, right around the time that Capcom started releasing their arcade machines and console launches of these marvel fighting games. So this is precisely the material they were mining from when they were doing the style guides for all of their characters including Wolverine. And also people criticize this figure for having the accentuated claws as well as the pronounced flares on his boots and mask fins, but that was also mined from the comic books of the time. Hell the animated series is just as guilty of making the mask fins longer than what people think is “traditional”.

I think what is happening here is that in the last 20 years since the Astonishing series began, it reset the clock on how the fans generally understood what the X-Men were supposed to look like and how they were portrayed in comics and other media. They were more standoffish, more utilitarian, they carried and dressed themselves in a manner that was more akin to a group of guerilla soldiers fighting a rebellion or a posse from the time of the old west. They were very understated and very stsndoffish. And that has been baked into the DNA of the X-Men since the beginning but it was never more apparent than when Joss Whedon and John Cassaday took over for them-Men during the early 2000’s.

And you can see those changes reflected clearly in their costume designs. It’s why the X-men suits generally have more of an intentional design aesthetic compared to the haphazard elements of the costumes from the 90’s. They aren’t superheroes anymore. They are soldiers now. This is even showcased by the fact that Wolverine wears dog tags when he’s out of uniform when he hadn’t done that at any other period in his life. We didn’t even see that in the Giant Sized era when he just left active duty from the Canadian government.

So I feel like what is happening here is that the fans have been reared on these changes for the last 20 years that they have forgotten what the X-men were truly like in the 90’s. They were bolder, brighter, more in your face, more colorful, less deliberate and still willing to embrace the sillier nature of comics in the 90’s and all of it disappeared overnight once we were steeped in the 2000’s. Hell the most overstated thing about the X-Men during the astonishing era was the fact that Wolverine still rode a motorcycle.


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And also people criticize this figure for having the accentuated claws as well as the pronounced flares on his boots and mask fins,
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Which is nonsense. Those are entirely accurate to the video game that this figure is based on. So if people are doing that, it should be said, they're being ridiculous. Loony toony, as it were.
 
Robo just started the weekly with a stop motion of the Capcom figures battling it out. I don't know where it came from originally, so the best I can say is 'go watch the Weekly' - which you should do anyway. It was super fun.
 
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Robo just started the weekly with a stop motion of the Capcom figures battling it out. I don't know where it came from originally, so the best I can say is 'go watch the Weekly' - which you should do anyway. It was super fun.
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Yeah the fighting game stop motion video is cool. Hasbro commissioned that for SDCC and I think they opened up the panel with that video but I can’t recall off the top of my head who was responsible for producing it.


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Stoopid_Sandwich said:
Yeah. And all of the covers that I posted were published between 1993-95, right around the time that Capcom started releasing their arcade machines and console launches of these marvel fighting games. So this is precisely the material they were mining from when they were doing the style guides for all of their characters including Wolverine. And also people criticize this figure for having the accentuated claws as well as the pronounced flares on his boots and mask fins, but that was also mined from the comic books of the time. Hell the animated series is just as guilty of making the mask fins longer than what people think is “traditional”.

I think what is happening here is that in the last 20 years since the Astonishing series began, it reset the clock on how the fans generally understood what the X-Men were supposed to look like and how they were portrayed in comics and other media. They were more standoffish, more utilitarian, they carried and dressed themselves in a manner that was more akin to a group of guerilla soldiers fighting a rebellion or a posse from the time of the old west. They were very understated and very stsndoffish. And that has been baked into the DNA of the X-Men since the beginning but it was never more apparent than when Joss Whedon and John Cassaday took over for them-Men during the early 2000’s.

And you can see those changes reflected clearly in their costume designs. It’s why the X-men suits generally have more of an intentional design aesthetic compared to the haphazard elements of the costumes from the 90’s. They aren’t superheroes anymore. They are soldiers now. This is even showcased by the fact that Wolverine wears dog tags when he’s out of uniform when he hadn’t done that at any other period in his life. We didn’t even see that in the Giant Sized era when he just left active duty from the Canadian government.

So I feel like what is happening here is that the fans have been reared on these changes for the last 20 years that they have forgotten what the X-men were truly like in the 90’s. They were bolder, brighter, more in your face, more colorful, less deliberate and still willing to embrace the sillier nature of comics in the 90’s and all of it disappeared overnight once we were steeped in the 2000’s. Hell the most overstated thing about the X-Men during the astonishing era was the fact that Wolverine still rode a motorcycle.


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That and Cassidy's art is very realistic, so it was a nice refresh/reset for the main X-Men characters and for all other artists to reference for size. The 90s do have a soft spot for probably 80% of Legends collectors so... its still nice to see these crazy throwback proportions :) while understanding this line is decidedly stylized.
 
Damien said:
While a bunch of pictures of Wolverine standing all by himself, or using forced perspective ... exist. Here's a cool shot of '90s Wolverine not using any of those tricks. Weird how he's short and still buff as hell. This must be the only time in the '90s that ever happened.

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But for really reals... A) No one is arguing Wolverine can't or shouldn't be wide as hell. B) The 'find a comic panel to make your character scale argument' is at least a 20-year-old bit and never really works. Especially since ML has never been an artist-specific type of line that attempts to capture those specific moments and panels. Although, now we have that McFarlane Statue line for that.

Also also.. Shatterstar is in this image and Colossus is like 900 feet tall for some reason. And, to use the same logic from the earlier Wolverine images, Storm is 15 feet tall, more or less, so I want my 15" Storm. She can be the next HasLab.
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It probably wasn't my actual very first one technically, but this is the issue I have in mind as the first comic I ever read. I've been chasing that big group display of superheroes for 30 years! Can't believe we finally have every single character in this picture now.

But cripes, I never realized how huge Colossus is here. Did I miss the ability where he gets bigger with grief?
 
I wouldn't describe the Astonishing reset as making the X-Men more utilitarian - it was, very explicitly, pushing them away from the very brief movie-styled period and back to colorful costumes. Those designs definitely corrected for some of the excesses of the 90s, but they're far from militaristic and very clearly still superhero suits.
 
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