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The original Metamorpho Ramona Fradon drawn comics are some great DC Silver Age pure goofiness and pretty top notch. Up there easily with Doom Patrol and Metal Men for DC Silver Age weirdos. His personality starts as being pretty traumatized by what happened to him. In time he turns into the more stoic character you are talking about.
 
PanchaMaestro said:
The original Metamorpho Ramona Fradon drawn comics are some great DC Silver Age pure goofiness and pretty top notch. Up there easily with Doom Patrol and Metal Men for DC Silver Age weirdos. His personality starts as being pretty traumatized by what happened to him. In time he turns into the more stoic character you are talking about.
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Great post, sir.

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This is some really whacky, fun stuff.

DC just recently reprinted a bunch of great Silver Age Metamorpho stories:

DC Finest: Metamorpho: The Element Man: Haney, Bob, Orlando, Steve, Fradon, Ramona, Trapani, Sal, Sekowsky, Mike: 9781799501848: Amazon.com: Books

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As you can see, there will be a Peacemaker panel in Hall H at comic con. Saturday July 26th from 3:30 to 4:30 PM. James Gunn will be there. I'm sure he'll be answering questions about other DCU movies and shows.

I don't normally do Hall H, but I may go to that panel. With no Marvel Studios this year, it may not be hard to get into. We'll see.
 
You know ...

If Superman turns out to be the 700 million dollar blockbuster it's shaping up to be, Disney/Marvel will be kicking themselves in the ass for letting Gunn go. They fired him because of some stupid years old tweets that a few idiot right wing trolls dug up.

We'd be watching the Gunn directed Legendary Star Lord right now if not for Disney's shortsightedness. And James would be hard at work on Nova or Warlock. Instead, Gunn has given their biggest competitor in the world of superhero movies new life.

Well done, Disney.

"Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid."
 
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Given he was brought back for GotG 3 and the Special before his role with WB was announced, I'm not sure the previous spat over the tweets was what pushed him to WB and the DCU. I get that he might not have taken on Suicide Squad without the break from Marvel in the first place, and therefore may not been on WB's radar, but not sure he would have ever have been given a bigger role with Marvel - so he might have moved over to DC anyway.

As an aside, not sure if you ever read those tweets, but they are pretty hard to defend even as "jokes" I feel and I understood why Disney wanted to distance themselves until they could be sure there wasn't more to it than the tweets.
 
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but not sure he would have ever have been given a bigger role with Marvel - so he might have moved over to DC anyway.
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Before he was fired by Marvel, rumors were he'd be in charge of all cosmic movies, a sub-Feige, but during the press for GOTG 3, someone asked Feige about that and he said Gunn's influence was exaggerated by the internet and it was always the guardians. He consulted on other projects involving the guardians and set up other cosmic stuff via the guardians but Feige claimed that was always the extent of it.
 
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fac said:
Given he was brought back for GotG 3 and the Special before his role with WB was announced, I'm not sure the previous spat over the tweets was what pushed him to WB and the DCU.
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I think it's pretty tough to argue against.

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fac said:
I get that he might not have taken on Suicide Squad without the break from Marvel in the first place, and therefore may not been on WB's radar, but not sure he would have ever have been given a bigger role with Marvel - so he might have moved over to DC anyway.
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I doubt he becomes co-CEO of DC Studios without a test run from WB.

As Ru said, I also doubt Feige would've given him a bigger role. In my opinion, he should have been offered the Avengers franchise, given Disney's insistence on making more of them.
 
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It’s A Bird, It’s A Plane, It’s A Box Office Hit: ‘Superman’ Leaps Higher To $125M Opening – Monday AM Update

'Superman' is opening to $123M, the second best opening ever for director James Gunn.
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Warner Bros execs have every reason to be doing the Krypto doggie dance this morning as it’s the studio’s second $100M-plus opening this year after A Minecraft Movie ($162M). Technically, Warners owns the No. 1 and No. 3 biggest openings of the year currently. Warners owns six No. 1 openings YTD. It’s also DC Studios co-head Peter Safran’s biggest opening ever at the box office (ahead of Aquaman‘s $67.8M), the second-best opening for a Superman movie overall behind Batman v. Superman ($166M), the best opening for a Superman first franchise installment ahead of Man of Steel ($116.6M reported 3-day), and the second best opening, as we said all along, for Gunn behind Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($146.5M).
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Saw the film last night and my main takeaway is that this is a fine reintroduction for Superman into the world cinema. “Fine” sometimes feels like a backhanded compliment or shorthand praise lacking any sort of excitement, but in this instance I mean it sincerely. Superman is fine.

I like Cronenswet in the role. He has that optimism, that charm, the character needs. He’s a Superman with an inherent feel for what’s right and what’s wrong. The film tries to toy with that idea early with other characters questioning if it’s appropriate for him to take such a stance when it comes to matters with political and global implications, but somewhat quickly (and perhaps clumsily) drops that.

I think that’s where the film risks coming up short. Those who want the movie to have a strong, pro-immigration stance for this moment in time will feel underwhelmed. Those who want the invasion angle by the fictional foreign power to more clearly mirror the events in Gaza will feel underserved and maybe as far as insulted. That’s the issue with just dipping one’s toe into the waters of controversial topics. Sure, the film risks alienating those with an opposite view, but many of those are already refusing to see the film on “woke” grounds so it’s not as if making a stronger stance would have done real damage.

Aside from that, the film does dismiss more weighty topics in favor of comic book, sci-fi, nonsense, but it goes about it with an air of confidence. The characters buy into everything around them, even the dog, which helps to sell it to the audience. That and it’s nice to have a superhero flick that’s just a hair over two hours that doesn’t waist a ton of time on lore and exposition. Yeah, I know little about what makes Hawkgirl special aside from the wings, but do I need to know anything more than what’s presented on screen? No, this is Superman’s movie. Not Hawkgirl’s. That does also extend to the Daily Planet. I have no idea what Jimmy’s position is, but it seems like more than photographer, but not reporter. Cat is apparently there for cleavage and I don’t even know the name of the guy played by Beck Bennet. The film literally throws these people into a safety bubble in the third act so we don’t even have to worry about them.

And I’m okay with it because I don’t want to see the film run longer. It mostly keeps the focus on Superman and Lex and that’s the right approach. I saw some here express dissatisfaction with Hoult’s take on the character, but I thought he was a bright spot. He’s cunning, smug, but also able to convincingly fly off the handle. I didn’t question his motivations. They’re fairly simple at their core, but I don’t consider that a fault. And I also love that this film was content to tell its own story. There’s no obvious setup for what’s to come, the post credits and mid credits scenes are there for entertainment value. This whole DC film universe may eventually balloon into an MCU-like monster, but right now it’s just Superman and that’s fine.
 
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Just got back from the movie...It was fine. Lots of stuff I liked, lots of stuff I didn't. A million times better than the last DC movie I saw in theaters, but that was the Flash so it's a low bar

Casting was good. I won't mind seeing any of these characters again.
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Just saw it myself and feel exactly the same way. Thought it was good in parts, not so good in others. Casting was good for the most part, Corenswet was a great choice. I really like how Superman was portrayed and I loved it every time the 'Justice Gang' was on screen, particularly Mr. Terrific. I was never much into the character in the comics, but Edi Gathegi was ... terrific, as was Fillion, of course.

I get it's a comic book movie but I thought the script was pretty weak in parts. Hoult was good as Luthor but I thought his motivations outside of offing Superman were kind of ... odd. Not a fan of the bingo number scenes, either.

"The message" thing was a mess for me for so many reasons, not the least of which was how incredibly convenient it was for Luthor's plan. For something so important to the plot, how it's discovered, translated, "verified" and never called into question really detracted from the film for me.

I didn't need anymore Borovia stuff after establishing what Superman had done before the film, particularly the president scenes or "the final battle" at the end of the film. They could've skipped that entirely. Have the Justice Gang helping to hold Metropolis together and rescue people to have them involved in the end.

Instead of Borovia, a little more time at the farm with Ma and Pa Kent would have been appreciated.

I thought it was off-putting how everyone in the film just kind of shrugged off the pocket universe thing like it's a common occurrence. And the scene where Lois and Jimmy figure out Superman is there was just ridiculous. Have the ace journalists show off their skills a little bit. At least have them have to figure out what the hell a pocket universe is. Oh wait, the ace journalists took an awful long time to decipher Eve's selfies ...

And speaking of the Daily Planet staff, I didn't really want to spend a lot of time with them but I did want something better than having them tool around in Mr. Terrific's ship. That really added nothing to the story. How about having them evacuated from the city and adding in another earlier scene with Clark in it?

I can't even get into the monkeys ...

At the end of the day, it's a good movie and I hope it leads to bigger and better things. This actually feels like the first "Wonder Woman" movie to me, a bit uneven but good for the most part. As far as recent DC films go, I actually enjoyed Gunn's "Suicide Squad" more than this.
 
Saw the movie last night. Still processing. Not entirely sure what my final verdict is. I laughed more than I thought I would, though, and had a great time. I loved Corenswet as Superman and wish we could have a new Lois & Clark series with him and Brosnahan moreso than I maybe want a larger DCU of galactic battles and special effects.

I think there was a groundedness and a kind of.... nobility? Elegance? Grandeur? missing from the cinematic language that made the film overall feel cheaper and smaller than I would have liked for an A Tier hero film. I'm having a hard time figuring out if I'm just getting old, but the movie felt at times to me like it was being made explicitly for the TikTok generation. Like it it was made from a bunch of strung together reels, with a new cookie every 90 seconds to keep your brain chemically fed. There was so many marvelous things to see and take in, but without the time to let them sit in their majesty before the channel got changed or the next commercial came on. It's like I was constantly eating candy.

I'm interested to see how the rest of the DCU plays out, tonally. Already it is far less "real" than the MCU. The status quo of this world is far more stranger, alien, and cartoonier than our own.
 
I do feel that the script was weak and REALLY suffered from a lot of "tell, don't show" in the dialogue. Like when we first see Lex's control room and the goons are explaining exactly what's going on like we're dumb little babies that can't figure it out on our own. There's a part during the climax where Lois goes "the rift is heading for blah blah, there's people there!" like...You don't have to say it. Just show the people there. We get it.

Another bit of poor writing was when Mr. Terrific essentially said "I know all the guys, there's no way that was faked" in regards to the recording. Really? Lex Luthor can build a pocket dimension full of typing monkeys but he can't fake a recording? (and yes, I know he didn't HAVE to fake it because it was real. But given how far real life technology is, it would not be a stretch for Luthor, so I'm not sure why they'd be so quick to dismiss it)

Also Ultraman is just Black Noir and Superman's new origin is just Goku
 
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